Take back the keys!

Did I say it would make more power? Negative. I believe I6 is the way to go becuase it is mechanically more efficient with lower frictional and vibrational losses than any of the other configurations. The best ratio of bore to stroke is 1:1 so you dont want too many or too few cylinders and if they are all gonna be 2L then a 6 cylinder will fit nicely (roughly 75mm bore and stroke).
You can sit there and ramble on and on how the v-8 is the godsend of engines blah blah blah. Nobody really cares, I have an I4 turbo and love it and wouldn't ever trade it for a v-8. Its your opinion, just like your childish opinion that all mustangs are "gay". You were the ignorant one to talk shit on i4s running boost when your not running boost. If your gonna bitch about it, why dont' you have a turbo on your big bad v-8? Sure your car may be the almighty god of n/a power....that is until a bigger badder v-12 rears its ugly head....

I don't think there can really be an argument on absolute power potential.

Displacement is displacement.

The I6 design offers the greatest balance, and will see less wear. obviously all the exhust can be focused directly on one single turbo, maximizing it's efficiency. Most offer OHC design with 4 valves per cylinder, so there's a space savings to go with effiency vs. the dohc v8s.. however, and siting the 2jz specifically, they can be/are pretty damn heavy.


Obviosuly a 4 cam v8 with an efficient enough blower can do the same, thing, have slightly increased bearing wear and not quite as smooth balance, though take up more space.


They both have their place, but in terms of efficiency is where you have to focus, and the honest answer is there IS no replacement for displacement.

My stang is a v8, but its only a 302, and that is gay to me. They would be better served publicly if Ford actually decided to use their heads and give it some cubes

swagger that f-body is sick looking....find a 3rd gen on blocks

best i could do.....

SVT THIS wrote:11.3 on pump gas couldnt have been high boost, if it runs 11.3 on pump gas ii would like to see that for sure... i would be impressed, but i dont think thats the case.

i have an srt4 for a dd, but dont consider it a race car or has the potential to be one for that matter. its a flipping neon and thats all... its cool but not cool enough to be serious about it, ur pretty much walking on the line of building a motor and just putting it in anything and be as cool as having a neon and being serious about it. props on making it fast, but thats where it ends.

v8 vs i4 is a stupid argument because v8>i4 no matter how you look at it, v8s are gonna make more power than an i4 with the same power adder and engine setup (or n/a v8 versus p/a i4 as the case is usually) i dunno if u guys know this or not, but alot of v8's are aluminum block/heads and outweigh by a couple lbs or if not the the same as an i4... im not arguing v8 against i4, the facts speak for themselves

i try to respect anyone who takes pride in what they do to their cars no matter what they drive as long as their not a complete douche bag (except mustangs which are all gay to me) im friends with domestic/rice rockets/fast imports/bikes/fast suvs, im not partial to domestic v8s just prefer them

....and for the gas mileage topic, my t/a doesnt do bad on gas what-so-ever, its @ 1800rpm@65mph in 6th gear(with 4.56gears)... who gets good gas mileage when their racing lol, so u guys get 30 mpg when ur drag racing lol... if not then why even bring it up

I met you at the track last year and I was with the Blue SRT with Carbon Hood and Trunk that was going 12.3 on the stock turbo. U where there with a Red SRT that had a Carbon Fiber hood. My goal out of the car is a 10.9 pass on the stock motor. Whats wrong with that. I can gaurantee ur V8 has way much more money invested in it to get it where it is to each his own. I proved what my car can do and for a 4 cylinder I think that is pretty impresive. My car made 432whp/427tq on 93 PUMP gas at 25psi of boost with around 3 degrees of knock. Talk all the shit u want about my car I really dont give a fuck what people think about it. yea its a Neon o well. I will be more than happy to match up with you at the track and if u beat me u beat me but I want to see proof of this crazy V8. Also for the comment on its still a Neon u cant make it fast here is a little video for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy_G_rim ... re=related

I couldnt find the year end video of them driving it through McDonalds for lunch but this will do. u cannot compare a V8 to a 4 Cylinder. a V8 has 4 more cylinders end of story. Thats why they have the saying......"BOOST, THE REPLACEMENT OF DISPLACEMENT" Let me know when u wanna line em up dude I am ready anytime!

Well now, I missed a bit of talking lol.

The idea I like about small displacement/DOHC/VVT/4 or 5 valves per cylinder is that they are generally very efficient motors, unlike the older school v8's with one cam, push rods, 2 valves per cylinder. They have much more technology behind them making them more efficient.

Its starting to take a turn though, especially with the high end exotics really upping the anti with lower displacement v8's v10's (compared to our 5.7 liter, 7.0 liter, 8.4 liter American motors...)making some serious power on pump gas. Instead of just adding CID to make more power, they actually take a step back to find ways of enhancing the power without more displacement. You add some boost and well the efficiency and power go WAY up.

Its extremely obvious that the more displacement you have the more "theoretical" power you will be able to make, theres no denying that. But seeing people pump out 1200-1300 BHP from a fucking i4 with 2-2.2 liters of displacement is just unreal. Granted sure its got a massive snail attached to it, and on race gas blah blah, its still impressive.

Pump gas to pump gas battles comparing small displacement motors to larger ones, the larger motor will always be able to make more power w/o having to up the octane, theres just more room for fuel and air so more power to be made before knock.

Personally it comes down to the owner/enthusiast and what he/she wants and enjoys. I love I6's so that is what I stick with, I love the sound, the simplicity and the power potential. Not to mention it is such a smooth motor, the power band just feels so fucking good.

SVT THIS wrote:
i try to respect anyone who takes pride in what they do to their cars no matter what they drive as long as their not a complete douche bag (except mustangs which are all gay to me)

svt you used to be so die hard for that you bled blue i love this

never claimed my ta has a crazy v8, but ill be happy to line it up with you... money talks

Here's an LS1 racecar compared to the srt4 racecar vid u posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t65VypaaRJU

SVT THIS wrote:never claimed my ta has a crazy v8, but ill be happy to line it up with you... money talks

Here's an LS1 racecar compared to the srt4 racecar vid u posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t65VypaaRJU

lmao, crazy v8 for sure, but thats no fucking street car. Tubed, Lexan windows and fiber glass body lol = no street car. The Srt-4 is still a street car.

it had a parachute, so gloves off lol

SVT THIS wrote:it had a parachute, so gloves off lol

pretty sure it detaches lol!

yeah that and regulation reasons and safety I'm sure. Talk to Dave Buschur at Buschur Racing, they have a 9 second fully stock looking Evo. There is no doubt i4s can make some serious shit and get power and be more effecient.

wasn't shep street legal when he was running 8's in his 2.0 talon?

The SRT-4 is Street legal with working turn signals lights horn everything and went 9.4.......the car will be in the 8's next year. That FBody is not driven on the street. If the SRT was full tube chasis car and wasn't street legal it would go 7.8's in the 1/4 mile like the Mopar Drag car.

Enough of the drag cars tho I wanna see vids of ur car making a 10 second or 9 second pass. Its a V8 it has to be that fast at least low 10's. If a 4 cylinder Neon can go 11.3 on a pump gas tune I wanna see some proof of ur car going 10's on pump gas or I call BS!

ERABBIT23 wrote:Enough of the drag cars tho I wanna see vids of ur car making a 10 second or 9 second pass. Its a V8 it has to be that fast at least low 10's. If a 4 cylinder Neon can go 11.3 on a pump gas tune I wanna see some proof of ur car going 10's on pump gas or I call BS!

Agreed, but it most likely will go 10's on pump gas, edit that number to 9's lol. Gary's got a shot of 200 or 250 to add to his setup, not sure if hes tuned on race gas or not for the shot.... But that will get him at least a full second +.

Now I'm not really a fan of nitrous, id rather see a big turbo on his car than a 250 shot.. but its cheap, easy power.

It says street car, so apparently he pulls off driving it on the street, occasionally. It's a very, very extreme street car, but a street car nonetheless. The only thing that wasn't stock on the body was the 1 piece fiberglass nose, but people used to do that back in the day on thier shoebox Chevys and '32 Fords. And those were street cars all day long..

Check this video out, here's a Firebird street car that only needs 6 cylinders to run 8s. 1 cam, 2v/cyl...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Wp1MbNp-8

Oh, and Garys car will go 10s on pump gas. His 11.3 was all motor, on pump gas, with a bad tune, a bad clutch and at Quaker.

EVIL_WS6 wrote:It says street car, so apparently he pulls off driving it on the street, occasionally. It's a very, very extreme street car, but a street car nonetheless. The only thing that wasn't stock on the body was the 1 piece fiberglass nose, but people used to do that back in the day on thier shoebox Chevys and '32 Fords. And those were street cars all day long..

Check this video out, here's a Firebird street car that only needs 6 cylinders to run 8s. 1 cam, 2v/cyl...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Wp1MbNp-8

Oh, and Garys car will go 10s on pump gas. His 11.3 was all motor, on pump gas, with a bad tune, a bad clutch and at Quaker.

I don't give a shit if the video said "fastest ls1 power spaceship", it doesn't mean it is. Whole front is tube chassis, along with the tubed rear, thats NOT a street car. Those arnt even headlights, so it cant drive at night, once again NOT a street car.


Street car to me is, non tubed ANYTHING. DOT approved tire equipt, close to full weight. No fiberglass body panels, working windows, full lights, not tubbed/back halved anything like that qualifies it as not a street car. Especially when they tubb it and smash 20 inch wide tires in the rear. PLEASE. that car is built for one thing and one thing only....

Rb25Cory wrote:Street car to me is, non tubed ANYTHING. DOT approved tire equipt, close to full weight. No fiberglass body panels, working windows, full lights....

The only thing that's steel on the body on the '93-'02 fbodies is the rear quartes. And the hoods on the NON-ram air cars. Oh, and the headlight doors on the Firebirds..Everything else is either plastic or fiberglass. So I guess my T/A wasn't a street car (but a full on dragster) when my power window quit working and I had a burned out parking light, eh?

And here's the fastest documented street car in the world. A British GM car powered by a Big Block Chevy.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D54J9XFKBHo

Top Gear rocks.

You guys can go back and forth all day on trivialities. It really seems time and again to be determinded by what the driver can put up with. The limit for a streetcar stops and goes racecar at different points.

My opinion? Once it needs trailered to the track and you can't/won't drive it on long (like more than niles to boardman BS, I'm taking drive it down to florida), it is no longer a streetcar. Personally, I think you should have close to or a full interior.

I mean, whats to say you can't toss an interior in a racecar, but you get the idea. Theres a difference between streetcar and street legal.

Get what I'm sayin? Gary's car walks a VERY fine line, to where it's very purpose built. I've nothing that crazy, I've had some quick stuff, but I've always been able to daily it if I want.

You can have a car setup so track ready just to turn, it might be slower than factory production cars in a straight line, but it's way too harsh for real street duty.

Just don't confuse 'legal' and 'true' street is all.

Well put, reliable daily driven, retarded fast street machines are my fancy. That t/a is none of that. The srt-4 is.

ERABBIT23 wrote:The SRT-4 is Street legal with working turn signals lights horn everything and went 9.4.......the car will be in the 8's next year. That FBody is not driven on the street. If the SRT was full tube chasis car and wasn't street legal it would go 7.8's in the 1/4 mile like the Mopar Drag car.

tell him to drive here then since yous guys are friends lol

he lives in New Jersey and we dont hang out but I have been a track rentals at Norwalk with him.

I love how no matter what the thread starts ever argument on here comes down to Muscle vrs. Imports

BOOST3DWRX wrote:I love how no matter what the thread starts ever argument on here comes down to Muscle vrs. Imports

its only nature's call.

it happens lol

it will happen till the end of time haha

yeah once people are set in there ways its hard to break them out....Back onto the PBM subject haha. Have any of you guys ever made it down to any of the flashlight drag events here in PA?

cRaNkWaLk wrote:yeah once people are set in there ways its hard to break them out....Back onto the PBM subject haha. Have any of you guys ever made it down to any of the flashlight drag events here in PA?

nope want too, however if my car does run this year I'll get killed having no traction.. the throw down any VHT? I wish these drags were like 1/2mile too.