what swaps are available for my civic.

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what swaps are available for my civic.

Postby mtkhalid » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:32 pm

thought this info might be useful for those looking to do motor swaps.

D series swaps
    Pros
    Inexpensive
    Decent potential (200 whp or so on stock internals)
    OEM parts are cheap
    More than enough for most people
    The best D series come with ~130 hp tops
    Optional factory LSD in the JDM D15B

    Cons
    Not as much potential as some other motors
    Transmission not geared for accelleration
    Don't respond to bolt ons well
    Only way to get real power out of them is FI
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B16
These can be found in the JDM SIR and SIRII as well as the USDM 99-00 SI (EM1) and the 99-00 Canadian SIR.
    Pros
    160 hp stock
    High RPM power
    Fairly inexpensive
    Good transmission
    DOHC VTEC

    Cons
    113ft/lbs torque (very little more than a D16z6 stock)
    Without knowing what you're looking for you can end up with a high mileage JDM model
    Under 4k or so it feels just like a D16

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B18B
This is the motor in the non Type-R and non GSR Integra.
    Pros
    Good torque for a 1.8L (127 ft/lbs)
    Inexpensive (even cheaper than a B16)
    142 hp (more than any stock D series)
    Boost heads love them

    Cons
    No VTEC
    Longest B series transmission
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B18C1 (or JDM B18C)
These come out of an Integra GSR.
    Pros
    Good Hp and TQ numbers (170, 121 ft/lbs respectively)
    DOHC VTEC
    Tons of potential
    High revving

    Cons
    Expensive
    Becoming moreso as people keep scooping them up
    Slighty longer tranny than the ITR and B16
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B18C5 (or JDM B18C)
This is found in the Integra Type-R. IMHO this is the best swap for a Civic.
    Pros
    GREAT HP and TQ numbers (195 and 134 ft/lbs)
    High revving
    Hand built motor from Honda
    Optional factory LSD
    Best transmission for a B series from the factory
    Red valve cover

    Cons
    EXPENSIVE
    If JDM ITR is used, the 36mm axle 32mm hub problems occur
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B16B
This is the motor found in the Civic Type R found all over the world.
    Pros
    185 hp 117 ft/lbs
    High revving
    Good top end power
    Red valve cover

    Cons
    Expensive- almost as much as an ITR for lower performance
    Very little torque still, have to rev the motor to make power
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B20
    Pros
    Great torque (133 ft/lbs)
    good boost motors
    inexpensive
    B20z=146hp

    Cons
    Thin cylinder walls
    Have to peice together a swap for a Civic (can't drop it in with a B20 tranny)
    Won't pass BAR (light truck motor in a car)
    Low hp in the B20b(126 hp)
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H22/JDM F20B
    Pros
    200 hp
    H22=156 ft/lbs torque
    F20B=145 ft/lbs torque
    Great torque
    DONT WEIGH THAT MUCH MORE THAN A B SWAP!!

    Cons
    Harder to install than a B/D motor
    transmission feel is vague IMHO
    Less info out there for the swap (aka, less experience as they are less common)
    Price of swap is comperable to a B18C5 after everything is said and done (mounts, etc)
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K20
This can be found in the new EP3, the RSX (base and Type S) as well as other cars across the world (RSX R, etc).
    Pros
    200 hp 158 ft/lbs torque (RSX R)
    I-VTEC
    Respond VERY well to bolt ons
    6 speed transmission
    Most have very low miles

    Cons
    Still super expensive
    More difficult swap than a B or D
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H2B/F2B
    Pros:
    All pros of H22/F20B
    No custom mounts
    Tons of potential

    Cons: requires H2B adapter kit
    Requires MINOR usage of angle grinder
    Requires spacers under the hood





Do feel free to correct any info that may seem inaccurate.
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Postby boosted_em1 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:57 pm

good info for anyone looking to swap :thumbsup:
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Postby BOOST3DWRX » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:02 pm

Turbo K20,

what is in the S2000? get that and turbo it would be hot
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Postby boosted_em1 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:09 pm

s2000 is f20c. a little hard to swap into a fwd civic :P
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Postby mtkhalid » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:52 am

yea. its gonna be like that civette. maybe not that hard but something similar to it. lots of fabrication. be better off just getting an S2K.
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Postby boosted_em1 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:18 am

even a civic with the s2k motor i wouldnt take over a s2k. it couldnt compare
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Postby Rb25Cory » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:44 am

boosted_em1 wrote:even a civic with the s2k motor i wouldnt take over a s2k. it couldnt compare


S2K> any other honda minus the NSX. An absolute blast to drive.
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Postby boosted_em1 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:57 am

Rb25Cory wrote:
boosted_em1 wrote:even a civic with the s2k motor i wouldnt take over a s2k. it couldnt compare


S2K> any other honda minus the NSX. An absolute blast to drive.


exactly. in a straight line they may not be that fast. but handeling/cornering. they are a blast to drive. would take my dads over my car anyday :P
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Postby EVIL_WS6 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:31 pm

* You forgot LS1. :nono:
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Postby slidnby » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:06 am

no he didnt they are over rated
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Postby mtkhalid » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:10 am

EVIL_WS6 wrote:* You forgot LS1. :nono:

correct me if im wrong but i think hes referring to the civette.

http://www.cruxmotorsports.com/forums/v ... .php?t=124

thats one a million kinda swap. too much fab required. the swaps listed above are honda motors found in hondas only.
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Postby g3ar5hift3r » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:56 am

u can basically put anything in anything with enough modification =P
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Postby Rb25Cory » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:27 am

mtkhalid wrote:
EVIL_WS6 wrote:* You forgot LS1. :nono:

correct me if im wrong but i think hes referring to the civette.

http://www.cruxmotorsports.com/forums/v ... .php?t=124

thats one a million kinda swap. too much fab required. the swaps listed above are honda motors found in hondas only.


Pretty sure Ricks intention was to be sarcastic, he knows lol.
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Postby boosted_em1 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:29 pm

haha i hope it was lol
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Postby EVIL_WS6 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:16 pm

boosted_em1 wrote:haha i hope it was lol


Yes, I was being sarcasitc. That's just the kind of prick I am.


BTW, LS1's are overrated?? That's news to me..
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Postby boosted_em1 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:09 pm

i figured... ls1 is not overrated.. some of the people that have them, they think that there dicks get bigger or something. not aimed at anyone
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Postby Rb25Cory » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:22 am

boosted_em1 wrote:i figured... ls1 is not overrated.. some of the people that have them, they think that there dicks get bigger or something. not aimed at anyone


agreed, not all, but a decent deal of them.
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Postby Nick Serra » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:30 pm

Having an LS1 does make your dick get bigger. Don't you people know anything?
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Postby boosted_em1 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:38 pm

Nick Serra wrote:Having an LS1 does make your dick get bigger. Don't you people know anything?

i gotta get me one of those
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Postby bowl ah chilli » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:25 am

boosted_em1 wrote:
Nick Serra wrote:Having an LS1 does make your dick get bigger. Don't you people know anything?

i gotta get me one of those


they got 2 for 1 sale?
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Re: what swaps are available for my civic.

Postby my_hidden_romance » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:32 am

anyway back to hondas... the ls-vtec is the best build for the buck.. it takes a b20 block with the bigger pistons/stock bore.. and puts the greatest b series head.. b18 on top producing a high top end and a good low end.. golden eagle racing makes a conversion kit. http://www.robearracing.com/default.cfm they have it there heres the direct link http://www.robearracing.com/cat_vtec_oil.cfm

its a lil pricey but you can build both the head and the block at the same time and turbo it.. leading to 700 or more hp... evans-tuning.com has a good forum for learning about honda swaps too.. hes a premier honda tuner in easter pennsylvania i will be driving across the country back to see him at home to get my integra tuned again
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