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Stumbled back onto this site today, figured I'd see if Gary ever beat my mph this year? 141mph anyone?

Anyone build anything else quick this year?

My Eclipse is put back together, but I sold my TIG when I moved so I need to get some pipes welded up to finish it. Should do 380-400whp on a budget/ghetto build but it'll still look nice.

I also picked up a 2003 Z06, super mint, low miles, got a few mods for it, waiting another month or so to finish it up. Not going as crazy with it though, will just be an intake, catback, headers, cam/valvesprings, and tune. Should do 430whp and run close to 125mph. It's completely murdered out and LOUD. I will post pics once it's together again, waiting on mounting tires and finishing the cam install.

Oh ya, hey guys.

Hey, welcome back! I thought you parted out the eclipse?

Nick Serra wrote:Hey, welcome back! I thought you parted out the eclipse?

I parted out all the one-off goodies.

Put it back with a stock 2g longblock, some old school DSM OG tweaks, E85, EVO 16g, and some ebay parts. All powdercoated/polished/ceramic coated.

Just having fun with it until spring comes and someone wants to buy it. I didn't have the heart to sell the shell.

Absolutely mint 2g, 62k miles, ZERO RUST, and more new parts than I can list.

Welcome Back! WOO!

you got the e85 setup? how that run.. iv always been curious...

It runs like gas except you get less MPG since it does not produce as many BTU's as gas does how ever it is cheaper and runs cleaner.

and colder am i right?

It's just higher octane

Nick Serra wrote:It's just higher octane

Burns cooler but requires around 30-35% more fuel. Also is only about 2/3rds as powerful as the gas per volume. But I still want it.

I take it your getting drums of E85? Or did you relocate? As far as I know the nearest station from y-town is Akron.

I would do very bad things for a zo6

E85 is 105 octane.

Due to its burn properties (ala alcohol) it acts basically like C16 as long as you have the fuel to support it. Usually need to oversize your pump/injector/lines by 30% to be safe.

Problems arise when you try to make big power on it, on most cars, 1000cc injectors are the most that run/drive/idle decent. To max out e-85/turbo setups, you need 1600's, which run like shit.

We were on the dyno last weekend in a buddies 2g, made 550whp @ 31psi on 93 octane, dumped e-85 in it, added exactly 20% to the fuel map (didn't touch timing), and the car did 640whp. We got it up to 660whp, but had some valve spring issues holding us back (we spent 9 hours on the dyno figuring all kinds of dumb problems out).

Cory, I'm currently in Cleveland now.. We have a few stations up here.

A fun setup would be a new Billet 35r, a .63 Tial housing, Bosch 1000's, e85, all stuffed into a S2k. Could do 600whp on the stock motor, beat it daily, and it'd love you...until the rear end and axles fall out.

Brad's car (guy that does my tuning) on e-85, old school 35r, t4 - .68 open, out of fuel, and without beefy valve springs.

Car is @ 31psi, e85, etc. Should see 700whp @ 9k once the valve springs are installed, same tune/boost. Once fuel is upgraded, car should see 750whp. Billet 35r would drop spool another 300rpm. Car is a light 98 GSX, 2700lbs or so. Should go 9.30's or so. 100% street car.

I love E85. That increase in horsepower is amazing. We need a station here.

666? either you cars trying to tell you something or lord satin lives inside your engine

DSMu4ia wrote:Brad's car (guy that does my tuning) on e-85, old school 35r, t4 - .68 open, out of fuel, and without beefy valve springs.

I have a nice broken one of those that needs rebuilt in my room. Nice to see it can make great power if I ever feel like fixing it..

That is Brad Brooks right?

Yea, Brad Brooks.

Car should do 750whp on kill with the HTA35r, gain about 300-400rpm of spool. You can usually take 300-400 rpm off the spool time on a dynojet vs. the street, so he'll be coming very near the 4k range of spool, with a 9500rpm rev limit. NASTY COMBO.

Oh ya, 10.5:1 pistons.

DSMu4ia wrote:Yea, Brad Brooks.

Car should do 750whp on kill with the HTA35r, gain about 300-400rpm of spool. You can usually take 300-400 rpm off the spool time on a dynojet vs. the street, so he'll be coming very near the 4k range of spool, with a 9500rpm rev limit. NASTY COMBO.

Oh ya, 10.5:1 pistons.

10.5:1 on 31psi?

g3ar5hift3r wrote:

DSMu4ia wrote:Yea, Brad Brooks.

Car should do 750whp on kill with the HTA35r, gain about 300-400rpm of spool. You can usually take 300-400 rpm off the spool time on a dynojet vs. the street, so he'll be coming very near the 4k range of spool, with a 9500rpm rev limit. NASTY COMBO.

Oh ya, 10.5:1 pistons.

10.5:1 on 31psi?

Higher compression takes the place of more boost. More compression at equal boost levels will always make more power. For example, this car if it had 8:1 pistons, it would have needed nearly 40psi to make this power. Compression also increases spool, makes more torque, and is alot snappier to drive off boost. With a decent EMS system, and one of the top tuners in the country, there are no worries.

Domestic guys just run low compression with boost because they don't know any better.

For reference, my car was 9.5:1. If I was building another motor it'd be 11:1.

DSMu4ia wrote:

g3ar5hift3r wrote:

DSMu4ia wrote:Domestic guys just run low compression with boost because they don't know any better.

Blanket statement. One of the fastest 10" tire Mustangs in the country is a high compression turbo car doing well over 1000HP.

TONS of imports and domestic guys share the low compression attitude becuase that's just how things got done.

Furthermore, and 11:1 + boost street car is fucking retarded, although you have access to E85; alot of others don't. Setups like that are race-gas only and the bottom ends are STOUT (although yes you can drive around lower in the timing maps out of boost if youre in a pinch). You're essentially tuning the car to run almost like a diesel with that much compression under boost.

I like the concept, but it's not widely used for reasons.

Agreeded, if I was running that high of compression on pump gas I'd be way out of my turbo's efficiency range for it to even be fun. E85 would make this a different story however...

i'm not so sure my block would hold together if i ran 11:1 .... i was gunna lower it to 9:1 and see... it'll have forged internals of course

fbirdformula wrote:i'm not so sure my block would hold together if i ran 11:1 .... i was gunna lower it to 9:1 and see... it'll have forged internals of course

It will hold together on pump gas with low boost. You will need race or something of equivalent octane rating for higher boost settings to prevent knocking. Or major retardation of timing... but thats just inefficient.

11:1 on low boost would be teh equivilent of 9:1 on higher boost wouldnt it?

fbirdformula wrote:11:1 on low boost would be teh equivilent of 9:1 on higher boost wouldnt it?

Sort of, that all deepends on your turbos flow rate, which would very depending on size. Theres a ton of varibles that would change this. But in a simple general sense you can say that for simplicity. But like I stated before on a larger turbo at low boost you are well out of the efficiency range of the turbo, and making inefficent power. You can see this on compressor maps for which ever unit you pick.

hmm ok i'll get back to this subject once i save enough money... so 5 years from now we'll chat again...

Rb25Cory wrote:Agreeded, if I was running that high of compression on pump gas I'd be way out of my turbo's efficiency range for it to even be fun. E85 would make this a different story however...

thats the point i was trying to make, i understand how compression vs psi works lol... i just didnt realize e85 made that big of a difference.

Lower compression is just more convenient for obvious reasons, especially based on where we live... 6+ dollars a gallon for torco... no ty.

RSbeast wrote:

DSMu4ia wrote:

g3ar5hift3r wrote:

DSMu4ia wrote:Domestic guys just run low compression with boost because they don't know any better.

Blanket statement. One of the fastest 10" tire Mustangs in the country is a high compression turbo car doing well over 1000HP.

Furthermore, and 11:1 + boost street car is fucking retarded, although you have access to E85; alot of others don't. Setups like that are race-gas only and the bottom ends are STOUT (although yes you can drive around lower in the timing maps out of boost if youre in a pinch). You're essentially tuning the car to run almost like a diesel with that much compression under boost.

I like the concept, but it's not widely used for reasons.

Of course it's a blanket statement. Just like 10 years ago 25psi was considered EXTREME BOOST, now you have production cars running nearly that much. Just because higher compression junk isn't more common, doesn't mean its a bad idea.

With the advancement in tuning in the past decade, such as standalones, widebands, knock sensors, dynos, etc, there shouldn't be any fear of running a high compression motor on pump gas even.

Would I run 11:1 on a 93 octane motor? No, of course not. There eventually becomes a point of no return. Oh, and btw, nothing wrong with low timing, boost makes alot more power anyways. hehe.

Couple years ago people thought 450-500whp on a 4g63 was the limits of pump gas and was PUSHING IT. Now you have handfuls of 600whp pump gas cars, some doing 140mph+ in the 1/4. Advances in parts, tuning, turbo technology, etc have helped to make this possible.

DSMu4ia wrote:
Of course it's a blanket statement. Just like 10 years ago 25psi was considered EXTREME BOOST, now you have production cars running nearly that much. Just because higher compression junk isn't more common, doesn't mean its a bad idea.

With the advancement in tuning in the past decade, such as standalones, widebands, knock sensors, dynos, etc, there shouldn't be any fear of running a high compression motor on pump gas even.

Would I run 11:1 on a 93 octane motor? No, of course not. There eventually becomes a point of no return. Oh, and btw, nothing wrong with low timing, boost makes alot more power anyways. hehe.

Couple years ago people thought 450-500whp on a 4g63 was the limits of pump gas and was PUSHING IT. Now you have handfuls of 600whp pump gas cars, some doing 140mph+ in the 1/4. Advances in parts, tuning, turbo technology, etc have helped to make this possible.

i'd say aside of tuning (which is by far the biggest contributor), the advance of overall airflow through the motor can be credited for that. Intake manifolds and cylinder heads have come sooo far in the last decade