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turbo info

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Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:48 pm
by fbirdformula
ok.... u turbo know it all's.... lay it on me, i wana turbo my car but don't know exactly what i need, i know how to build the motor, and i still have alot of research to do but this is the place to put all your turbo knowledge
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:46 pm
by drewboi
mby this should go down into peorprmance? i dunno thats just me
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:48 pm
by fbirdformula
maybe.. i didnt know where to post it so general it was..
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:32 pm
by njrupp
turbo, turbo mani, bov, wastegate, oil lines(send/return) intercooler and pipes... meth injeciton kit if u want, new sparkplugs, bigger injectors, upgrade fuel pump and a good tune.. them are the basics and of course theres a lot more u can get but depends how far u wanna go, elec boost controler, turbo timer, guages....


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Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:25 pm
by Balt21
this talks about the basics that were said earlier in more detail
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/turbo_tech101.htmlTurbo tech 102 talks about differenct manifolds and turbo trims etc.
All of the turbo tech articles on garretts site are great to learn about turbos and how they work if you were wondering about that too.
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:28 pm
by PontiacChris
njrupp wrote:turbo, turbo mani, bov, wastegate, oil lines(send/return) intercooler and pipes... meth injeciton kit if u want, new sparkplugs, bigger injectors, upgrade fuel pump and a good tune.. them are the basics and of course theres a lot more u can get but depends how far u wanna go, elec boost controler, turbo timer, guages....


You think your so fucking cool because you can use smileys we cant?

Re: turbo info

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Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:31 pm
by 6spdscreaminchickin
just get the whole lt1 kit from sts.
http://www.ststurbo.com/camaro_lt1
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:36 pm
by drewboi
custom built ftw! screw that package shiz
Re: turbo info

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Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:44 pm
by njrupp
Boost: 7 psi
â– Rear Wheel Horsepower: 394
■%’d increase: 44%
â– Rear Wheel Torque: 449
■%’d increase: 48%
â– 1/4 mile time reduction: ~1.3 seconds
This kit picked up 121 HP AT THE REAR WHEELS at a modest 7psi, making 394 WHP and 449 lb/ft of torque. Enough power on tap to liquefy the rear tires on demand.
for
3995.00... seems pricey... but its good garrett turbo and nice tune
custom ftw
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:55 pm
by 6spdscreaminchickin
not sayin its not true but where did you get that price? its not listed.
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:55 pm
by fbirdformula
not using an STS... don't like hte rear mount... i can find a package on ebay for much cheaper... and even if i can get the turbo, the intercooler, and the bov for 1k its not a bad deal, i can find someone to make the piping
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:57 pm
by njrupp
6spdscreaminchickin wrote:not sayin its not true but where did you get that price? its not listed.
research, google sts kits
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:01 pm
by fbirdformula
its about that price range
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:16 pm
by 6spdscreaminchickin
yeah but i figured it would be cheaper getting it directly from them. i called them and they told me that they didnt list a price because they will customise the kit for your price range and horsepower goals....diffrent turbo,intercooler, so on and so forth. they said they have kits from like 2 grand flat up to like 4500. they also said that a intercooler was not really needed because the air comes from the rear up to the front so the air is already cool. and its not worth the hp gain for the money of the inercooler with that setup. i like it because the turbo keeps cooler and probably would break as easy. and theres not that much of a need for a turbo timer. plus the hp per pound of boost is better then anything i have found.
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:27 pm
by Balt21
6spdscreaminchickin wrote:yeah but i figured it would be cheaper getting it directly from them. i called them and they told me that they didnt list a price because they will customise the kit for your price range and horsepower goals....diffrent turbo,intercooler, so on and so forth. they said they have kits from like 2 grand flat up to like 4500. they also said that a intercooler was not really needed because the air comes from the rear up to the front so the air is already cool. and its not worth the hp gain for the money of the inercooler with that setup. i like it because the turbo keeps cooler and probably would break as easy. and theres not that much of a need for a turbo timer. plus the hp per pound of boost is better then anything i have found.
if you look at there universal kits is shows the prices with like price varying or something like that in parenthesis next to the turbo b/c you can get different setups like you said.
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:31 pm
by fbirdformula
then i'll have to look into it, i dunnno i guess i should keep my options open
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:40 pm
by g3ar5hift3r
6spdscreaminchickin wrote:the hp per pound of boost is better then anything i have found.
..... no comment.
I don't recommend running any turbo setup without an ic, unless u plan on running it far under efficiency.... which kinda defeats the purpose of doing it?!
As for how much hp u can get out of it, sure the 7lb rating is modest... but u need to research what your stock internals are capable of holding. Last thing u wanna do is throw a rod. $$$$
Regardless of what u end up running make sure u get arp studs for the rods and caps.
As for turbo information, what do u plan on doing to the motor exactly? are u keeping the bottom end stock?
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:03 am
by fbirdformula
lol i told u its gunna be all forged 4340 steel... crank, rods,pistons, just looking for more info it'll be able to hold anything i plan on throwing at it
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:06 am
by g3ar5hift3r
my bad, couldnt remember lol. Dont bother getting a kit then, half the shit it comes with it will need upgraded. u want to run twins or a big single?
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:38 am
by fbirdformula
idk yet... depends on prices,bang for buck...yadda yadda yadda...
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:41 am
by g3ar5hift3r
u can get the same power, gonna be slightly more expensive but quicker spool. Imo twins are better for applications that aren't reving high
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:56 am
by fbirdformula
good point.... i never thought of that, so maybe i will go twins then.... what ever happend to the miller commercial w/ the twins? they were hottt

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Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:06 am
by g3ar5hift3r
they turned 30 and were no longer applicable for the job
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:09 am
by drewboi
lol.. i wouldent doubt that
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:58 am
by fbirdformula
we should hire them as the crux girls.....
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:09 am
by RSbeast
FYI Most rear mounted turbos are non intercooled as the gas spooling the turbo is far less hot, and the charge piping is like a mile long. So the temps aren't crazy.
They aren't as efficient as underhood (obviously), but they do work and makes for less of a packaging nightmare.
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:01 pm
by fbirdformula
yaaaa....who cares about efficiency
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:40 pm
by RSbeast
Well go try and cram two slugs in that engine bay and get back to me
A huge part of the efficiency difference is the exhaust gas driving the turbos close to the engine, is that the gas is rapidly expanding as it's leaving the combustion chambers. A good percent of that expansion (moreso than after axle) is done as the gas is entering the turbine housing, so it's cramming as much as it can in, pushing the blades harder and creating more power. The overall volume is still the same at the end of the exhaust, but the energy and velocity is lost.
I don't like the idea of a remote oil pump or if you slid the car over something, but the #'s speak for themselves. No increased underhood temps and easy install. I've seriously considered one in another future fbody.
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:57 pm
by Running925
eww turbo's!
idk anyone that actually makes power with those things. Just get a couple stickers off dave for your window, preferably yellow.
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:48 pm
by drewboi
Running925 wrote:eww turbo's!
idk anyone that actually makes power with those things. Just get a couple stickers off dave for your window, preferably yellow.
theres exactly what we have been waiting for.. the best advice to date.. DO IT!
