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by **fbirdformula** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:51 pm

i'm anxiously waiting for 230 today so they can let us know what their gunna do.... if the big 3 close down america's goin down the shitter reall fast

by **Running925** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:19 pm

fbirdformula wrote:i'm anxiously waiting for 230 today so they can let us know what their gunna do.... if the big 3 close down america's goin down the shitter reall fast

lol riiight

no, people will just stop buying shit vehicles and the demand will go up for nissan / honda / toyota / lexus / bmw / kia / ect.

Then they will need more people to build more vehicles / more people to sell their vehicles / more people to ship their vehicles / and maybe one or two extra service guys (if they actually break). So all these people making supid amounts of money for putting on windshield wipper blades will just have to work for a normal wadge!

by **BOOST3DWRX** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:22 pm

Have you looked at the economy lately America is already going down the shitter

by **Running925** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:25 pm

BOOST3DWRX wrote:Have you looked at the economy lately America is already going down the shitter

to late.. we've already been flushed..

everyone's just lookin around for something that floats to grab onto.

by **BOOST3DWRX** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:26 pm

fbirdformula wrote:i'm anxiously waiting for 230 today so they can let us know what their gunna do.... if the big 3 close down america's goin down the shitter reall fast

anyway they'll file chp 11 and restructure, same thing circut city is doing, there closing only the stores not making profit and high risk

by **Eg6 Si 92** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:01 pm

Did you really expect it to last??? with the money that they get payed to work an unskilled trade? not to metion all the retired autoworkers that have killer pensions and retirement..thats a lot of money.. so they'll get the bail out and then a few years from now be right back in the same place they are today...

by **g3ar5hift3r** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:41 pm

gm is fucked. i was talking to my dad about it who's a coordinator there, he said upper management is so far overpaid that place has no chance unless they totally overhaul everything. top ceo's get paid 9+mill a year lawl.

They had a meeting a few days ago, everyone flew in on single passenger jets, cost being roughly $10,000 per trip. In the meeting they asked for sake of argument who was willing to give up their jets and fly commercial to save money (same trip via commercial only ran about 700 dollars) not one greedy mother fucker raised their hand. The guy was like ok, let that be written in the books when this place goes down.

its just funny how everyone's like 'ZOMG ITS GOIN DOWN HELP!!' but they still wanna get paid their 9mill/year and fly their single passenger jets to meetings :roll:

Greedy fucks.

plants closing down for a month. :thumbsdown:

by **Jrcz24** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:46 pm

I agree this country has Turned to shit.LOL but i have a feeling its gonna stay this way until we get another president in office that is actually worth a Damn.Hehe

by **njrupp** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:12 am

my teacher was saying avg $ per hour for a gm employee is 70/80 per hour(that includes employee pay and retired/pension)
compare that to car makers over seas its around 45/55

by **g3ar5hift3r** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:27 am

njrupp wrote:my teacher was saying avg $ per hour for a gm employee is 70/80 per hour(that includes employee pay and retired/pension)
compare that to car makers over seas its around 45/55

main reason being they give pay bonuses to those willing to work night shift.

so for example, take said employee who has 30-40 years seniority in the plant (making about 30-50$ an hour base pay depending on the department they worked in) u move him to night shift, throw him a nice pay increase to work it.... 60 year old guy putting screws/clips in a few interior panels for 65-70 bucks an hour.... working the fucking ASSEMBLY LINE for $2,000+ a week take home (40 hrs/week).

GM also use to offer TONS of overtime to basically anyone who wanted it, tack on another 1.5x for overtime hours and 2x for working on Sunday... work 60-70 hours a week and your clearing almost 4grand.... 4,000 x 50 weeks... you do the math. :roll:

by **drewboi** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:36 am

you just described my dad :/ he worked all the time.. but he actually dose stuff.. he fixes whatever they decide to break out there .. and takes care of plumbing work, and does database stuff when hes not on the floor keeping the line going.. people like him might deserve or almost deserve that.. be the people standing ther screwing on shifter knobs dont...iv heard about people sleeping in the cars as they go down the line.. or sittnng in them and reading a paper or stupid shit. also one guy takes a car out back and dissapears for like 2 hours then comes back.. thats bs

by **g3ar5hift3r** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:47 am

for sure... i've heard my share of stories about it down there. There is like no enforcement of any rules down there... and if u do get caught, the punishments are a joke. Half the people who work there probably should have been fired 5 times over by now.

and they wonder why the place is in the shitter :roll:

by **Rb25Cory** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:00 am

Their union at the GM plate is a total joke!

by **fbirdformula** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:11 am

njrupp wrote:my teacher was saying avg $ per hour for a gm employee is 70/80 per hour(that includes employee pay and retired/pension)
compare that to car makers over seas its around 45/55

hmm.... maybe if u factor in all the top CEO's n executives but for the rest of the line workers, skilled trades and everyone else there who really works... talk to any line worker doing the same job over and over again for 8-10 hours isn't easy... you guys may think their jobs are cake but their really not. and line workers are only making around 13 or 14 a hour now. My moms a skilled trades and hardly makes 30 a hour. and as for 3 million auto jobs go.... what do u guys think would happen if suddenly 3million people just suddenly lost their jobs? most people can live very comfortably off of that job. i think there's going to be alot of pissed off people if ford gm and Chrysler close. so.... think about that before you guys start dissing the big 3... who cares what type of cars they make its more a matter of economics right now than who makes cars that don't break down and who does....

by **g3ar5hift3r** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:09 am

fbirdformula wrote:
njrupp wrote:my teacher was saying avg $ per hour for a gm employee is 70/80 per hour(that includes employee pay and retired/pension)
compare that to car makers over seas its around 45/55

hmm.... maybe if u factor in all the top CEO's n executives but for the rest of the line workers, skilled trades and everyone else there who really works... talk to any line worker doing the same job over and over again for 8-10 hours isn't easy... you guys may think their jobs are cake but their really not. and line workers are only making around 13 or 14 a hour now. My moms a skilled trades and hardly makes 30 a hour. and as for 3 million auto jobs go.... what do u guys think would happen if suddenly 3million people just suddenly lost their jobs? most people can live very comfortably off of that job. i think there's going to be alot of pissed off people if ford gm and Chrysler close. so.... think about that before you guys start dissing the big 3... who cares what type of cars they make its more a matter of economics right now than who makes cars that don't break down and who does....

lol. the only ppl making 13-14 an hour are the 3rd shift people they hired a few months ago

by **fbirdformula** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:14 pm

my dad retired working the line only making about 24/ hour.... i dont see where that kids getting his high figures at

by **g3ar5hift3r** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:35 pm

how many years was your dad there for, what shift did he work, and what department did he work in? that'll make a huge difference on the pay rate

by **drewboi** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:51 pm

healthcare for all.. then they can pay gm people less...woot

by **fbirdformula** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:34 pm

your still missing the point.... what ever... if they go under you'll understand what i mean when the country's out of control

by **Jrcz24** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:06 pm

drewboi wrote:you just described my dad :/ he worked all the time.. but he actually dose stuff.. he fixes whatever they decide to break out there .. and takes care of plumbing work, and does database stuff when hes not on the floor keeping the line going.. people like him might deserve or almost deserve that.. be the people standing ther screwing on shifter knobs dont...iv heard about people sleeping in the cars as they go down the line.. or sittnng in them and reading a paper or stupid shit. also one guy takes a car out back and dissapears for like 2 hours then comes back.. thats bs

I've also heard those same stories. it kinda reminds me of when i replaced the quarter panel in my old '93 Pontiac Sunbird. well when i took the old quarter panel off i found a pair of socks in one of the channels in between the inner panel and the outer panel of the quarter, and i thought it was funny.LOL

by **PontiacChris** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:13 am

the union out there never used to be like this though. my gpa worked there for 34 years. all your dads and shit probably know him very well. he says back in the day, everything was put together well. over the past ten years, they started to lose what control they had and the union wasnt so much a union anymore. people just dont give a fuck. and the ones that do have to suffer the consequences for example drews dad. look at the environment. no one gave a shit. it turned bad. now we're doing what ever we can to salvage whats left. its the same thing with this country. everyones blaming bush. yes bush did alot of things that hurt all of us in one way or another, but its everyones fault. no ones going to do shit until it starts to affect them and theres millions of people out there in this country that are in the middle class. its going to take a long time for everyone to be affected. and when it does happen then everyone will want ''change.'' everyone wanted ''change'' and voted for a black president and now are hoping he can save the economy. but i mean like usual, if the government cant do it themselfs blame em. i mean its not like its the peoples fault who wont sacrifice anything like one of you said theyre not willing to give up their private jets and shit. plus its not just america. its every nation in the world. if we go under, so does everyone else.

by **Deviant** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:39 am

I could give 2 shits about their money troubles, and that should be the same way the government feels. I can't believe they are even thinking about it just like the banks, let those dumbfucks fall flat on their faces for having a failing company/business. Unions are the downfall of modern America but that is just my opinion. They should get what they deserve.

by **Nick Serra** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:54 pm

Deviant wrote:I could give 2 shits about their money troubles, and that should be the same way the government feels. I can't believe they are even thinking about it just like the banks, let those dumbfucks fall flat on their faces for having a failing company/business. Unions are the downfall of modern America but that is just my opinion. They should get what they deserve.

by **PontiacChris** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:19 pm

Deviant wrote:I could give 2 shits about their money troubles, and that should be the same way the government feels. I can't believe they are even thinking about it just like the banks, let those dumbfucks fall flat on their faces for having a failing company/business. Unions are the downfall of modern America but that is just my opinion. They should get what they deserve.

it is how the government feels or else theyd have money right now

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