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who do you want to be your next president? discuss.. i know we already have one but not too much discussion on that. or a poll

Obama

Clinton is going to push NAU

obama will never get my vote.. anyone else see or hear about the church that he belongs too? i would vote for clinton before him but the man is really ron paul even though he has no chance or never did if you didnt get a chance to see those videos look it up. anyone who wants to say god damn america over and over again at the pulpit and say that 911 was punishment for what the usa has done anyways mc has my vote but i did like mitt before he dropped out

Wait, what did Obama do? Im guessing it's just one of those stupid youtube rumor videos that you're referring to.

In the end, I don't fucking care who the president is. If they made it this far then I'm sure they have something good about them. I live in America. Any American president is a good president.

So I already started a thread in Off Topic on this. No poll, but still. Anyway, I'm all Hillary but I could live with Obama. I really don't want this to tear apart the party. I have no clue how McCain became the Republican candidate. The only thing he has going to him is security issues. The one reason I like Obama is his vote on the Iraq war. I'll be interested to see his speech tomorrow on race. I think at this point he's on the road to only black people supporting him....he really needs to appeal to everyone.

anyone democratic so i would say clinton

either democrat, but I still prefer Obama...

Nick Serra wrote:Wait, what did Obama do? Im guessing it's just one of those stupid youtube rumor videos that you're referring to.

In the end, I don't fucking care who the president is. If they made it this far then I'm sure they have something good about them. I live in America. Any American president is a good president.

its not youtube rumors its actual facts.. these are videos of obamas pastor at his church. anyone see the stuff on fox? not saying that you should believe it or anything just check it out.. i dont know if anyone else heard or knows this but Louis Ferrakhan controversial black head of Nation of Islam, made some racist speeches against Jews and whites, came out and said that he supported obama and i think him being smart told him no.

as to McCain becoming the rep. he was my last choice i have no idea also. i heard alot of people talk about his military experience and pow stuff.. i agree with Ubryaj ias he stated in his off topic thread he really needs to distance himself from bush. me and one of my teachers were talking about it today.

gives a little info on the race and unity speech that obama is giving, and about Reverend Wright who is the pastor at trinity church where he attends and some of the remarks that were made.

http://elections.foxnews.com/category/top-story/

Well Obama is quoted in saying that he is totally against those statements, so I don't see what the fuss is about.

I guess the issue is whether Obama surrounded himself by this guy and his crazy views. Of course he's giving his speech now and saying the guy never said those kind of things when he knew him. I hope this speech goes over well for him and gets this cleared up.

Did I mension the fact that Clinton supports the NAU??

For anyone who would like to be enlightend

NAU or North American Union, would lead to an abolishing of our constitution it is a agreement between the presidents of Canada, US, and Mexico which would get rid of our curency like they did in Europe. Since it is an agreemnert congress does not have to vote on it.

The US as it has been for the past 200 years will no longer exist in the next 50 or so probably a lot less.

That is why I will never vote for clinton.

I dont care that Obama is Muslim, I am friends with plenty of them doesnt mean they are all terrorists. There are white domestic terrorist does that mean that we have to fear all white man?

BOOST3DWRX wrote:NAU or North American Union, would lead to an abolishing of our constitution it is a agreement between the presidents of Canada, US, and Mexico which would get rid of our curency like they did in Europe.

I doubt it will "abolish our constitution", it's just an "idea" to join north America and have free trade. it would basically be a bigger U.S.A. Think about it, the united states is comprised of tons of different races, nationalities, ethnicities... opening borders won't really change much except for economically. I'm not saying i'm for it, simply because like most others I fear drastic change, but it's not something horrible.

BOOST3DWRX wrote:I dont care that Obama is Muslim

Obama isn't Muslim. He is Christian. Misconception.

My bad about the Muslim part,

But, no more USD poof gone replaced with a new currecy you dont think they are going to try and rid us from all our other freedoms governments want control and they dont have it in our current system.

NAU forms, then you have EU adventually the entire world is run by a small group of people.

And NAFTA, you know how many jobs that bullshit agreement cost this country???

Who was behind that again? Clinton? WHAT????? Oah wait it was bill not hillary bc she is not for it now yet she was in support of it before?

Country is going down the shit hole fellas.

USD is down 25% Two years ago Canadian Dollar was 75% of US now its equal that seems like a drastic change to me.

If Clinton is on the ballot I wont vote or I will waste it on a 3rd party I dont want anther republican in office,

Gas prices trippled since Bush was in office yet, humm really nothing else has gone up that much.

I doubt that the leaders of this new world will want to rid us of the freedoms that enabled them to get into that position in the first place.

I guess you have to look at all that stuff and ask yourself "does that make any sense?"

You have to remember that even if the whole world was one big fucking country, assuming it is democratic, it would be the same hierarchical system that we have now. Federal gov > state gov > local gov > and of course this wonderful thing we call civilian voting.

And we won't have to worry about exchange rates if the whole world is one one currency!

Nick Serra wrote:I doubt it will "abolish our constitution", it's just an "idea" to join north America and have free trade. it would basically be a bigger U.S.A. Think about it, the united states is comprised of tons of different races, nationalities, ethnicities... opening borders won't really change much except for economically. I'm not saying i'm for it, simply because like most others I fear drastic change, but it's not something horrible.

yeah right and make our #1 spoken language spanish NTY, fuck Mexico, I dont mind the canooks thou.

Maybe we could adopt their 15 year rule as well.

That is true there would be no exchagce rates lol

Well time to cash in my Canadian Money lol

I should bust out the Euros too I think I have about 100euro that was when it was less then the USD or right at

Nick Serra wrote:Well Obama is quoted in saying that he is totally against those statements, so I don't see what the fuss is about.

belonged to this chirch for 20 years..

Taken straight from http://www.tucc.org/about.htm the church website

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community."

So you don't like the church because it's full of black people? Thats cool i guess. All that big quote said is that they are proud to be black and christian. Making the generalization that "All the people that belong to this church support that one psycho pastor" is like saying "all wwII era germans loved burning jews and supported hitler." Just because you belong to the church doesn't mean that you have to believe what that one pastor guy is saying. Maybe obama just liked the environment. Maybe all of the people are actually nice people and it is a loving church. You can't let the views of one radical sway your opinion on the masses. You should practice that not only in this election, but in life in general. Analyze, people!

so your saying you belong to a churh for the atmosphere not the message?idk not sayimg im right or you are. im not trying to make you believe what i believe just stating my opinion and backing it with facts thats all. but i know when i am in church and i have been to 3 different ones throughout my life and the preacher never said 9-11 was punishment to the us or let alone use gods name in vien at the pulpit or anywhere at the church. i just dont think that someone who doesnt cross there heart and say the Pledge of Allegiance should not run the united states of america.

boosted_em1 wrote:so your saying you belong to a churh for the atmosphere not the message?idk not sayimg im right or you are. im not trying to make you believe what i believe just stating my opinion and backing it with facts thats all. but i know when i am in church and i have been to 3 different ones throughout my life and the preacher never said 9-11 was punishment to the us or let alone use gods name in vien at the pulpit or anywhere at the church. i just dont think that someone who doesnt cross there heart and say the Pledge of Allegiance should not run the united states of america.

I understand that it's easy to make judgment based on the words of an outspoken one, but i'm just saying that Obama denounced everything the dood said. Thats all I need to hear. Now if Obama was saying that shit, then hell ya I would be against him, but he didn't.

And that whole pledge of allegiance thing was a misconception too. He didn't put his hand on his heart during the national anthem, not the pledge. Those pictures and bullshit were just made by ignorant people to sway the uneducated. Heres your proof, the video where those pics were taken: (actually, he is the ONLY one singing it haha)

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=V4FD-j_Dqq8[/youtube]

And heres him putting his hand on his heart during the pledge:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=svo9mutE6TM[/youtube]


See this is why I don't participate in elections. Because people just accept what they hear. When someone told me "obama doesnt put his hand on his heart during the pledge" I said... "Wait, that doesnt make ANY SENSE"... so i looked it up. So before you let insignificant issues affect your decisions, take the time to do some research.

i do believe alot of stuff and i am open to everything.. as for the democratic side i am for obama. i dont want to see clinton in there at all. but i think you can tell my political beliefs are more to the conservative side. as for the pledge i cant see the pics right now im in school but hey if im proven wrong i am. im going by what i saw and read. politics is a game and right now the D are playing it.

did anyone else see the vindy when kelly p and clinton

Alright, the more that I hear Obama talking about how he wants all races to be united, the more I wonder how he intends to do this. His previous church is a "black church", it is basically not including white people which I would find offensive. They're intentionally separating themselves. It is alright to be proud to be black, but you don't have to hate white people to do it. How can we ever unite when there is reverse racism going on. At this point in time, I think anything that intentionally leaves out people is hurting this idea of all races living with each other peacefully and seeing everyone as equal.

Obama is a JOKE, I dont know how many of you pay attention but he is promising TWICE as much as every other candidate. It is impossible for him to keep all the promises he is making. Obama will never get my vote, McCain will if Hilary is not the candidate for the democratic party. All the statements about Obama supporting Louis Ferrakhan are true and have been around for a long time. Just wait till the actual election if he is the candidate and people will realize what a mistake they made when the truth comes out.

Nick I understand where your coming from about him having his hand on his heart during the pledge and him saying he does not support those quotes of his earlier time but would you admit to it if you were running?

Andrew Bozick wrote:Obama is a JOKE, I dont know how many of you pay attention but he is promising TWICE as much as every other candidate. It is impossible for him to keep all the promises he is making. Obama will never get my vote, McCain will if Hilary is not the candidate for the democratic party. All the statements about Obama supporting Louis Ferrakhan are true and have been around for a long time. Just wait till the actual election if he is the candidate and people will realize what a mistake they made when the truth comes out.

Nick I understand where your coming from about him having his hand on his heart during the pledge and him saying he does not support those quotes of his earlier time but would you admit to it if you were running?

i was wrong about the pledge i just recieved it in a email. it was a pic of him in the first vid and they said it was him when they were saying the pledge. what i dont get is how you can have someone as your spiritual advisor during a election and they when this stuff comes out about him you drop him? that could be false also.

Ron Paul is the fcking man.

If you don't know who he is, look him up and see what you missed out on having this primary.