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EVIL_WS6 wrote:

Rb25Cory wrote:I laugh at your ignorance.

..and I laugh at you for being serious about a near 20 year old Jap bitch-car hatchback..

Haha, are you laughing at the age of the car or the country in which it was designed? Because age doesn't really seem to come into question here because i'm sure you're not going to bash an old muscle car for being over 20 years old, and the "jap bitch-car" comment just makes you sound ignorant. Sorry dood.

And i've seen a ton of Dyna-Pac information. It isn't exactly "new-fangled-technology."

EVIL_WS6 wrote:
Funny, it's soo popular that's why I, along with others, never heard of it.. I looked for videos on Streetfire and YouTube, with no results and I Googled it and the only two entrys that came up was one on the SRTforums and another one on the RX8 forums, go figure..

hmm...maybe you spelled it wrong?

You guys fucking crack me up...

JHills wrote:hmm...maybe you spelled it wrong?

I agree.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe ... tnG=Search

I find it hard to believe you have only seen one video of my car. Anyways in that case I will be happy to supply you 2 more. Keep in mind both of these videos were taken before the vtec head swap when it only made 292whp and 218wtq
Once again power to weight wins.


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v458/ ... I_0129.flv

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v458/ ... I_0621.flv

Not a little bitch jap car when it bitch slaps your v8 huh?

Not that I doubt the civic runs, but some general food for thought on dynapac/jet vs. #s from a mustang dyno or other SAE calibrated dyno


"was curious as to peoples experience w/ basically the same setups dyno tested on both a dynojet/dynapac and then a mustang dyno?

I put 578/571rwhp on a dynapac hub attached dyno and 365/315 N/A

And 480rwhp/582<--- peaked @ 2900 on a mustang dyno w/ 350/355 on motor..

I don't understand it. Its not because of the lack of backing up of a good solid number, but the tq changed.. I know for a fact this car is lacking in the tq department HARD.. Its got a ported and sized vic junior, and a .608/.614 242/248 cam, large exhaust, big carb that all hurt the car on motor. My bolton notchback would run away from my car in high gear low speed race."

Not 100% but my old numbers were 621rwhp on a dyno jet the next day it did 550rwhp on a mustang dyno.

Mustang dynos can vary mainly due to the dyno being loaded and if the exact numbers(cars weight ,tire size etc) are inputed the numbers out will be off.

Typically I always see the bragging #s coming from stuff that isnt on the latter. Track #s are what tells the truth.


BTW this is in no way meant to support Ricks arguement other than the honesty of a dynapac.

Somehow he doesnt think my stang will go 12s on the #s it made simply because its a mustang (though countless others have). That and my Mustang dyno #s vs if I would have run a dynapac/jet. I'd have seen @ 30-40rwhp increase just based off of that change.

^^ just searching around digging for relevant differences/examples

not that it reflects mine or the combo in arguement

That information is exactly why I just refer to a dyno as a tuning device, and the Dyna Pack is amazing at doing just that. The numbers vary so much between dyno's. Trap speed tells all in the end.

Rick its okay if you bash my car, I still love it either way. I'm sure you would too if you weren't so ignorant. I love how you say all this w/o ever even seeing or hearing it lol. That generally changes ppl's opinions.... No worries if yours do not, I wont lose any sleep.

Oh I know the dynos vary greatly. I rarely see hondas or any 4 cyl for that matter tuned on a mustang dyno though.

TurboCrvtec wrote:Oh I know the dynos vary greatly. I rarely see hondas or any 4 cyl for that matter tuned on a mustang dyno though.

Most all fast EVO/DSM's get tuned on a Mustang dyno. They are really the best at getting the tune spot on compared to the street due to how they load the car up.

Dynojets however, have software that can't be changed around, so going from dynojet to dynojet shouldn't make a huge swing in numbers.

Dyno's are a good "comparing" tool, and you can get the car in the ballpark alot easier and safer than doing pulls on the street.

But like Cory said, trap speed tells all.

i dunno how that can be accurate... doesnt seem to be weighted at all, it just free revs, how would that be at all accurate?

just curious

are you sure that wasnt just an ebay scam like the electric superchargers? lol

...when have you ever pulled up to a dyno at the track honda fag? never... you say power to weight ratio then why the hell is every honda slow as fuck thats turbod? there was a turbod hatch at the track doing 13.60's, i didnt talk to him but it sounded louder than any drag car there

SVT THIS wrote:i dunno how that can be accurate... doesnt seem to be weighted at all, it just free revs, how would that be at all accurate?

It utilizes the power of hydraulic.... no counter weights or any of that non-sense.

There is no "free reving".

For instance that vid I showed, was the dyno holding 5500 rpms +- 3 rpm, FULL LOAD, engine was doing all it could to over power it, but the dyno-pack holds it right at 5500 because thats what it was set to, it can move up or down in 100rpm increments and be tuned very precisely. You cant do that on a roller dyno...

You should see the curves my tuner is able to put out on it, they are soo fucking smooth.

you tune it in 4th gear? 1:1 ratio? b/c unless your car revvs that fast from idle it doesn't sound weighted at all...

SVT THIS wrote:i dunno how that can be accurate... doesnt seem to be weighted at all, it just free revs, how would that be at all accurate?

just curious

are you sure that wasnt just an ebay scam like the electric superchargers? lol

...when have you ever pulled up to a dyno at the track honda fag? never... you say power to weight ratio then why the hell is every honda slow as fuck thats turbod? there was a turbod hatch at the track doing 13.60's, i didnt talk to him but it sounded louder than any drag car there

You have never seen a turbo'd honda run a 9 or 10? My buddy mike thiesler runs 13.7s (green hatch in a-town) on a stock turbo single cam on street tires.

I honestly dont know what you are talking about.

SVT THIS wrote:you tune it in 4th gear? 1:1 ratio? b/c unless your car revvs that fast from idle it doesn't sound weighted at all...

lol, yes tune in 4th gear, 1 to 1 ratio.

Just because its Japanese doesn't mean it cant rev fast and make power.....

I really think you believe my car will be a slouch... lol

The Dirty D always holds it down! ^^^

mine went 12.6 last year on street tires.. theres a vid on here somewhere.

adding a couple hundred hp this year.. hope to see a 10sec. pass

TurboCrvtec wrote:http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v458/sandmrider8/?action=view&current=MVI_0129.flv

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v458/ ... I_0621.flv

Not a little bitch jap car when it bitch slaps your v8 huh?

That didn't impress me at all dude.. My T/A would've smoked that thing when it was completely stock. Try again...

I can't see how a Dyna-Pac dyno could be even accurate at all. It's like a halfway point from an engine dyno to a chassis dyno. All it tells you is how much hp/tq is generated at the hub, not how much actually gets to the ground. Last time I checked, I never seen anybody drive thier cars around on thier hubs, so that's pretty pointless. What about the weight of the wheel/inflated tire/lugnuts, etc. All of this would cause power loss to the ground, which is what really matters anyway.. in terms of numbers. It's like bragging on and on about how much power your engine makes on an engine dyno, but having no clue how much of that is really getting to the ground. On top of all of that, "peak dyno numbers" only speak half truths. It comes down to driver, traction, weight of vehicle, etc. You're foolish enough to rave on and on about your peak hp, but you're too blind and stupid to factor in your pathetic torque output, which is what really wins drag races. I've never lined up against a dyno on the track or on the street.

Sorry children, but we we grown ups win this argument. No go run along and read your latest issues of Honda Tuning, HCI, Playgirl and whatever else it is you import kids read these days..

EVIL_WS6 wrote:That didn't impress me at all dude.. My T/A would've smoked that thing when it was completely stock.

What impresses me is that he got a little 4 cylinder to go fast. All you did was buy a car dood, i'm sorry, but that doesn't impress me at all.

Nick Serra wrote:What impresses me is that he got a little 4 cylinder to go fast. All you did was buy a car dood, i'm sorry, but that doesn't impress me at all.

So if I decide to take a massive shit and strap a jet pack onto it, would that impress you? Because that's pretty much the same thing..

EVIL_WS6 wrote:
So if I decide to take a massive shit and strap a jet pack onto it, would that impress you? Because that's pretty much the same thing..

Yes, since this "Jet-Pack" you speak of doesn't exist so I'm sure it would cost a good deal of money and effort to make.

EVIL_WS6 wrote:

Nick Serra wrote:What impresses me is that he got a little 4 cylinder to go fast. All you did was buy a car dood, i'm sorry, but that doesn't impress me at all.

So if I decide to take a massive shit and strap a jet pack onto it, would that impress you? Because that's pretty much the same thing..

I'm just saying that going out and buying a car isn't exactly the most impressive thing. I don't know what you're doing for this season, but you seem to throw around "my stock T/A does this" or "my stock T/A did that"... which isn't exactly anything to brag about.

How did dynos become an argument in this thread? Lol, I cant say there is a ‘best dyno’ but I know that a dyna pack can offer different advantages than a roller dyno.

Check this out: http://www.dynapackusa.com/differences.htm

I actually agree with both camps of thought. A real world weighted dyno (with rollers) can give the most accurate HP/TQ numbers in my mind. TO ADD TOO G's and Rick's side of the argument you are getting the full weight load on the engine, including the unsprung rotational mass of the wheel/tires BUT what the dynopac lacks is the ability to show you what the torsional load (twisting/flex) on your suspension does to you HP/TQ numbers. In simple terms, depending on the suspension configuration (ie: IRS or live axle) and the way the torsional load effects everything coming down the line, which in the end ultimately effects traction. Just because you make all the power on the dynopac doesn't mean on the street it will ever be able to connect all of it to the ground. Its been proven on "drum dynos" as some people refer to them that on a C5 corvette (97-04) if you put stronger bushings on the mounts of the transaxle it will deliver 2-4% more power to the ground. Something they worked out on the C6 with what was called a 2/3s brace mount. Its a factory piece yet it translates to more power delivered. With the 4th gen f-body cars (93-02) if you put stronger LCAs on it, an adj. tq. arm degreed -4 and a adj. panhard bar pushing the rear suspension right a 1/16th of an inch it puts down more power not sure dyno percentages but at the track on the same setup its worth close to 3-4/10s and 3-6mph. (these facts are true from LS1 powered cars)

Bottom line yes they both tell you HP/TQ numbers but even if you get a dynopac that can average in real world road weight and compensate for lack of tire load (which yes they can do that if you know your w/t weight) you still cannot in any way shape or form figure it the torsional losses. The dynopac does still figure in trans loss and gear loss being its at the hubs but it is limited by it design.

I'm an not trying to rain on anyones parade here just stating some facts. Thats all.

that valve cover is cute btw

... no more racing at the track/street, were gonna strap all of our cars up to dyno packs and bang through the gears and see who is the top dog!!!

...btw i dont like the new setup on this forum sometimes its better to keep things the same

I think most of the posters above dont listen to what I said OR what Tony just stated.

I look at dyno numbers/dyno curves/graphs/dynos w/e you want to call it as TUNING DEVICES. They make it safe, quick, and easy to do vr's the street.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE TRAP SPEED TELLS ALL. It doesn't matter if you hook, or blow your tires off your trap speed will still be just about the same every pass....

Rick your argument is half right about torque, without torque there are no HP number's to be made, but how the torque curve stays to redline is KEY to having a quick car(in some cases). Small displacement motors make up for this lack of torque by reving higher, this once past say 5-6k it doesn't matter anymore.

All HP is, is a simple calculation. Multiplying the torque at the crank/hub/wheel, buy the RPM its taken out then dividing by 5252 and pops out your number. THATS IT.

To say you wouldn't tune on a dyna pack is a fucking joke, just because you want some "number" who gives a shit. Its just a number. Your car will speak for itself with or without that number. In fact I talked to my tuner today, and they are tuning a Trans-Am this week, yes on a dyna pack... you might want to get a hold of him, he might be gay...

Sorry children, but we we grown ups win this argument. No go run along and read your latest issues of Honda Tuning, HCI, Playgirl and whatever else it is you import kids read these days..

Oh yeah, you guys definitely have the most valid points I have EVER seen in an argument...

i wonder if the v8 guys, actually mainly gary and mr. wslow6, realize they fit every description of e-thug...mmm probably not.

you bragging about your v8 and making fun of our fast 4s is like paying $200,000 for a lamborghini, and getting smoked by a twin turbo mustang. "oh but v12s > v8s, you lil pansy in your v8 hahahah"

wslow6, i will race you from a dig this year. if i lose i really don't care. i will then challenge you from a roll, and you will BITCH out and say no, i only go from digs. that's exactly how it will go.

the common evolution of car fanatics on forums usually goes like this:
16-20, wambulance woot omg wtf hahaha look at my car blah blah blah
21-25, well, here's how it is, im smarter than i was before
26+, im married, probably have kids, don't really give a fuck about arguing with this bullshit anymore, plus have better things to keep me occupied

...every once upon a forum, theres gotta be someone...that doesn't follow.

Well put!

I love all of you.

Nick Serra wrote:Crux 1st annual fistfight?

Damnit, I really wanted that title!