Take back the keys!

CruxSucks wrote:ill say it again, we wanted you to race because it SHOULD have been a really good race, too bad you drive as bad as brett. in a freakin auto no less. its amazing how clueless you are to how bad you both are at driving. its really funny watching you squirm when someone asks to race from a dig, you get all nervous and try to break out your predetermined excuses as to why its no good. wont stop on 680, wont drive 10 min away, blah blah blah. give me your keys and let me race tom from a dig, or a roll for that matter, and watch how different the outcome is. im not saying i would beat him but i would have put up a way better effort than you.

you can make up all the excuses you want about your pedal kicking your foot off, and your transmission taking longer to shift because your moving the shifter yourself or whatever other bullshit you can come up with. the reality is you cant even get your own car to take off when youre the one honking the fucking horn. its not like you had to react to someone else honking. youre telling me its impossible to get an automatic camaro to leave hard from a roll? it just cant be done?? does this stupid shit even make sense in your head when you think it??

you have an automatic car with traction control, and you cant get it to leave even decent from a dig???? srsly think about that. thats really really sad that you are too stupid to figure that out. and me and tom have both offered several times to show you how much of an advantage you would have running from a dig, but i forgot you know all there is to know about ls1's.

oh and btw your car has what 20k miles? dont worry your piston slap and oil consumption are on their way!!

I think I already explained the piston slap? It was a quality control issue on mostly earlier LS1's, and pretty rare. Mine was one of the last to roll off the line, I'm not worried about it.

I squirm and get all nervous? Really? IIRC I said "No, I'm not coming to a stop" then it was immediately "Oh, ok, no problem, I understand."

I drive just fine, Tom jumped and thats all there is to it. It's not my fault. You even admitted it. I explained this earlier too. I've raced from a dig before, plenty of times. My car launches just fine. It also does very well from a roll, it down shifts into 1st and breaks the tires loose on 2.73 gears.. I'm obviously doing something right. I guess it just shows how much you know about racing when you think manually shifting and leaving your TC on is the proper way to launch.. wow

dude and remember. we know nothing about our cars. the 4l60e goes into 2nd from a 35 roll. not first. noob. cause surly if my wrx would be in second that means your z28 is too.

we didnt say no problem i understand, we said seriously? its not like its a big deal, and then pretty much everyone laughed. i said to brett when i talked to him on the phone later that i understand you dont want to stop on the freeway, so lets drive 10 min to run from a dig. and you said no. why did you say no? if your car launches so good why not run from a dig? cuz you both sure seemed to think it was a terrible idea at the time, even though we were trying to explain to you it would have been a much better race from a dig. its like you thought we were trying to trick you or something.

i just googled 2002 camaro piston slap and found this on the first page:

GM's 2002 "improvements" notwithstanding, it appears that the LS1 design continues to be prone to piston slap. Starting in 2002, a design change added a new oil scraper ring, reduced the piston-to-bore clearance tolerance, and added a teflon coating on the piston skirt to prevent scuffing due to the the tighter clearances. As I understand it, these changes were introduced primarily to address complaints about high oil consumption. A side benefit was supposedly elimination of piston slap due to the tighter piston-to-cylinder wall tolerances. It now appears that GM was well aware that cold start piston slap would never be eliminated due to a flaw in the engine's basic design, as evidenced by this extract from page 6-37 in the Helm's Manual:

"Important: A cold piston knock which disappears in 1.5 minutes should be considered acceptable. A cold engine knock usually disappears when the specific cylinder's secondary ignition circuit is grounded out during diagnosis." (No s--t; if there's no combustion force against the piston, the piston skirt shouldn't be driven against the cylinder wall).

Thats a forum about GTO's complaining about some of them having piston slap. it wasnt at all "rare" before 2002, and it had nothing to do with quality control. and it still happens on GTO's with the ls1, and they didnt start making those until what....oh yeah 2004. i can copy and paste a bunch more shit if you really want, but you probably google shit about ls1's and jerk off all day so ill let you go ahead and do that.

tom jumped you by like a half second, not the two cars he IMMEDIATELY put on you because you were waiting for your car to downshift. which is a total driver fail, period. how can you say that it downshifting and breaking the tires loose means YOURE doing something right? all youre doing is pushing the pedal to the floor and wasting time while you wait on your car to downshift and break the tires loose and waste more time. oh yeah thats some good driving there.

i told you in the parking lot that manually shifting an automatic can hurt it, but thats not what i said to do. you probably werent even really listening to what i was telling you to try to do so fuck it. keep getting walked by two cars while you wait on your shit do downshift, like i care. im just over here KILLING THE CAR SCENE ahahhahahahahahahahahaha.

and either your car leaves harder on the traction control or it doesnt. which ever way it leaves harder is what you should be doing. i dont know ive never driven your car, but my guess is that it would come out harder on the tc. which ever way works better is the proper way, but since you dont EVER race from a dig who the fuck cares.

you and brett constantly say that you drive your cars fine, but there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary...

CruxSucks wrote:we didnt say no problem i understand, we said seriously? its not like its a big deal, and then pretty much everyone laughed. i said to brett when i talked to him on the phone later that i understand you dont want to stop on the freeway, so lets drive 10 min to run from a dig. and you said no. why did you say no? if your car launches so good why not run from a dig? cuz you both sure seemed to think it was a terrible idea at the time, even though we were trying to explain to you it would have been a much better race from a dig. its like you thought we were trying to trick you or something.

i just googled 2002 camaro piston slap and found this on the first page:

GM's 2002 "improvements" notwithstanding, it appears that the LS1 design continues to be prone to piston slap. Starting in 2002, a design change added a new oil scraper ring, reduced the piston-to-bore clearance tolerance, and added a teflon coating on the piston skirt to prevent scuffing due to the the tighter clearances. As I understand it, these changes were introduced primarily to address complaints about high oil consumption. A side benefit was supposedly elimination of piston slap due to the tighter piston-to-cylinder wall tolerances. It now appears that GM was well aware that cold start piston slap would never be eliminated due to a flaw in the engine's basic design, as evidenced by this extract from page 6-37 in the Helm's Manual:

"Important: A cold piston knock which disappears in 1.5 minutes should be considered acceptable. A cold engine knock usually disappears when the specific cylinder's secondary ignition circuit is grounded out during diagnosis." (No s--t; if there's no combustion force against the piston, the piston skirt shouldn't be driven against the cylinder wall).

Thats a forum about GTO's complaining about some of them having piston slap. it wasnt at all "rare" before 2002, and it had nothing to do with quality control. and it still happens on GTO's with the ls1, and they didnt start making those until what....oh yeah 2004. i can copy and paste a bunch more shit if you really want, but you probably google shit about ls1's and jerk off all day so ill let you go ahead and do that.

tom jumped you by like a half second, not the two cars he IMMEDIATELY put on you because you were waiting for your car to downshift. which is a total driver fail, period. how can you say that it downshifting and breaking the tires loose means YOURE doing something right? all youre doing is pushing the pedal to the floor and wasting time while you wait on your car to downshift and break the tires loose and waste more time. oh yeah thats some good driving there.

i told you in the parking lot that manually shifting an automatic can hurt it, but thats not what i said to do. you probably werent even really listening to what i was telling you to try to do so fuck it. keep getting walked by two cars while you wait on your shit do downshift, like i care. im just over here KILLING THE CAR SCENE ahahhahahahahahahahahaha.

and either your car leaves harder on the traction control or it doesnt. which ever way it leaves harder is what you should be doing. i dont know ive never driven your car, but my guess is that it would come out harder on the tc. which ever way works better is the proper way, but since you dont EVER race from a dig who the fuck cares.

you and brett constantly say that you drive your cars fine, but there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary...

.....im just going to post in the morning about everything that is wrong with that last post..... unless andy covers it before i wake up. then i'll just quote and +1. night

heres the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSL0b_5EPVQ

6spdscreaminchickin wrote:.....im just going to post in the morning about everything that is wrong with that last post..... unless andy covers it before i wake up. then i'll just quote and +1. night

TRANSLATION: " .....i have no idea what the fuck im talking about, the more i talk the stupider i look..... i hope andy has something to say, because im all out of bullshit to try and confuse people with and change the subject 100 times and never answer or address anything anybody says....ever. then i'll just quote and +1. night

IM HOT BLOODED CHECK IT AND SEEEEEEEEEE!
I'VE GOT A FEVER OF A HUNDRED AND THREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

i knew people would dig that song lmao

meh seems like the z28 woulda lost anyway had it been completely even. As for the piston slap junk, subie motors are notorious for the same thing, especially built ones. Once warm it really isn't even an issue. LS motors are great motors there's no arguing that point IMO.

CruxSucks wrote:we didnt say no problem i understand, we said seriously? its not like its a big deal, and then pretty much everyone laughed. i said to brett when i talked to him on the phone later that i understand you dont want to stop on the freeway, so lets drive 10 min to run from a dig. and you said no. why did you say no? if your car launches so good why not run from a dig? cuz you both sure seemed to think it was a terrible idea at the time, even though we were trying to explain to you it would have been a much better race from a dig. its like you thought we were trying to trick you or something.

i just googled 2002 camaro piston slap and found this on the first page:

GM's 2002 "improvements" notwithstanding, it appears that the LS1 design continues to be prone to piston slap. Starting in 2002, a design change added a new oil scraper ring, reduced the piston-to-bore clearance tolerance, and added a teflon coating on the piston skirt to prevent scuffing due to the the tighter clearances. As I understand it, these changes were introduced primarily to address complaints about high oil consumption. A side benefit was supposedly elimination of piston slap due to the tighter piston-to-cylinder wall tolerances. It now appears that GM was well aware that cold start piston slap would never be eliminated due to a flaw in the engine's basic design, as evidenced by this extract from page 6-37 in the Helm's Manual:

"Important: A cold piston knock which disappears in 1.5 minutes should be considered acceptable. A cold engine knock usually disappears when the specific cylinder's secondary ignition circuit is grounded out during diagnosis." (No s--t; if there's no combustion force against the piston, the piston skirt shouldn't be driven against the cylinder wall).

Thats a forum about GTO's complaining about some of them having piston slap. it wasnt at all "rare" before 2002, and it had nothing to do with quality control. and it still happens on GTO's with the ls1, and they didnt start making those until what....oh yeah 2004. i can copy and paste a bunch more shit if you really want, but you probably google shit about ls1's and jerk off all day so ill let you go ahead and do that.

tom jumped you by like a half second, not the two cars he IMMEDIATELY put on you because you were waiting for your car to downshift. which is a total driver fail, period. how can you say that it downshifting and breaking the tires loose means YOURE doing something right? all youre doing is pushing the pedal to the floor and wasting time while you wait on your car to downshift and break the tires loose and waste more time. oh yeah thats some good driving there.

i told you in the parking lot that manually shifting an automatic can hurt it, but thats not what i said to do. you probably werent even really listening to what i was telling you to try to do so fuck it. keep getting walked by two cars while you wait on your shit do downshift, like i care. im just over here KILLING THE CAR SCENE ahahhahahahahahahahahaha.

and either your car leaves harder on the traction control or it doesnt. which ever way it leaves harder is what you should be doing. i dont know ive never driven your car, but my guess is that it would come out harder on the tc. which ever way works better is the proper way, but since you dont EVER race from a dig who the fuck cares.

you and brett constantly say that you drive your cars fine, but there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary...

well we have to tell the same shit like 10,000,000,000,000 times before you get it. he never agreed to run from a dig so why are you bitching about why he wouldnt? we know it would have been closer. we dont care. like he said he wanted to go home. we race for fun. not for bragging rights. it really doesnt bother us if we win or lose. we still had fun and thats why we do it. and its not worth it to us to drive to liberty just to race. esp if its the same car we just raced.

as for the piston slap.... why did you guys even bring that up? what does that have to do with anything? let alone this thread? idk or care about it just saying you say we change the subject and talk about stupid shit that has no relivance......

tom jumpped. thats it. thats all we said. we didnt say it was a race changing thing just said that he did. why so worked up about it?

and andy had the car in DRIVE not OVERDRIVE. which if you know ANYTHING about racing auto's you would know he did the right thing. and really did you say that his car "spinning and waisting more time" makes him a bad driver? if so tom must be just as shitty.

and do you really not know the difference between traction control and launch control? i dont know of ANY car EVER that would launch harder with traction control on.

god i'm sounding like you and tom now typing novels about stupid e-drama shit no one cares about. lmao

6spdscreaminchickin wrote: he never agreed to run from a dig so why are you bitching about why he wouldnt?

this must have had me confused, i guess its why i thought he was down to race from a dig and a roll

Droptop Z wrote: I'm actually racing someone from a dig tonight in the country behind my house. I'm down for a dig race any time,

6spdscreaminchickin wrote: as for the piston slap.... why did you guys even bring that up? what does that have to do with anything? let alone this thread? idk or care about it just saying you say we change the subject and talk about stupid shit that has no relivance......

andy brought up the piston slap when he said this....

Droptop Z wrote:Judging by this AND the piston slap, I'm guessing Scott's was a 98 or 99?

to which i said, your car only has 20k miles, your piston slap and oil consumption are on the way. andy replied that it was a quality control issue (WRONG, its a design flaw), and that it was rare (ALSO WRONG it was fairly common even on trucks and corvettes). he also mentioned that his car is fine because they revised that oil ring for 2002 (another indication its not a quality conrol issue, you dont redesign fundamental engine components to fix quality control). thats when i posted the excerpt from the GTO thread that even 2004 GTO's are getting piston slap, so his car is not necessarily safe. do you read anything i type or just scroll down and start spouting off shit again?

and im done with the whole traction control thing, ive never driven the car so i dont really know how it drives with it on. you shouldnt need it anyway to bring out an automatic car with shit gears thats not even very powerful anyway. my point was if youre too stupid to bring the car out (which you both obviously are) then just put the tc on and go, even with it on youll rip tom out of the hole (which you would have).

I spin badly till forever....however he was too afraid to find out and thought he'd have the chance from a roll; which is why the 40 roll went to 35, whatever the sweet spot.

I left exactly when the 3rd beep would have been had he not extended it out waiting for his ass to downshift fully. Appearantly the 8+ cars pulled had nothing to do with it either.

Brett, suck my fucking dick because it's clear youre a complete dumbfuck nutswinger who has no chance in hell in an argument about anything automotive at all; much less coming up with your ricer excuses. We had tons of pride before saying we beat 12 sec cars all the time and I called you out on it now didn't we *cough* 12 sec mach *cough*

Prolly just like your vid of you 'smoking a h/c supercharged foxbody' in your lt1....

6spdscreaminchickin wrote: we he he we he he we us we we us we we we andy his him i i'm

NUTSWINGIN AT IT FINEST

RSbeast wrote:..Blah blah blah..

Too afraid to find out? Are you just fucking around? You really still haven't grasped what I told you? Read again, you'll catch on soon! 8 cars? More like 2-3 before I let out, then your brother almost rear ended me with his ricer fly by. And wasn't Bills excuse his clutch was slipping? Guess he's a ricer too then huh.. But I love how your excuse for jumping is "WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD THE THIRD HONK THERE LOL". What the fuck? You go when you hear the third honk, not when you think it should have happened. I could have waited 10 minutes between the second and third honk. Do you leave red lights when you *think* they should go green? Just amazing..

FUCK yeah Brett, you can suck his FUCKIN dick! He FUCKIN told you bro, he's not FUCKIN around.. ON THE FUCKIN INTERNET!!!



Better watch out dude, he's a loose cannon, he might make an VERY ANGRY ALL CAPS POST to you at any second without warning!

stop whining about this stupid race and go answer my questions in the forza 3 thread since i know you have it.

when did i ever use my slipping clutch as an excuse for anything? except maybe why i didnt run 10's, not like you guys would know anything about actually having a fast car

Loose cannon here! Go reighn in your nutswing on youtube Andy! He's already telling people how sweet YOUR copy of forza is in the other thread.

I don't really know how many times I have to reiterate that YOU SAID WITH YOUR OWN LIPS (<<capslock hardass here ) that you hit it on the 2nd. So you are actually saying that you should floor it before it starts and then as soon as you feel like you took off; honk again? Maybe next time you can wait 10 minutes between the honks...you might be far enough up the road by your 3rd honk that you'll be happy with the outcome.

How the fuck are you going to get an engineering degree again?

Don't be mad I told your boyfriend to do things to me you would otherwise need to take him to dinner to get I'm sure he'll come around one day for you. Maybe he'll let you stick those anal beads you had on your neck up his ass finally.

Maybe you should watch the video again, listen to how we leave at damn near the same time and notice that it wasn't until I was almost out of forth that your car actually dramatically fell back. How many cars did that look like? Hell they should give you a degree right now man! You've got the only car in the world that keeps accelerating after you let off all by itself! Then you can buy your own z06 to nutswing from. Won't that be fun?

I'll wait for you and your cumguzzlers brainic retort...this makes for awesome entertainment, we shouldv'e done this forever ago.

Cheers Mr. Bolon. Cheers.

RSbeast wrote:Loose cannon here! Go reighn in your nutswing on youtube Andy! He's already telling people how sweet YOUR copy of forza is in the other thread.

I don't really know how many times I have to reiterate that YOU SAID WITH YOUR OWN LIPS (<<capslock hardass here ) that you hit it on the 2nd. So you are actually saying that you should floor it before it starts and then as soon as you feel like you took off; honk again? Maybe next time you can wait 10 minutes between the honks...you might be far enough up the road by your 3rd honk that you'll be happy with the outcome.

How the fuck are you going to get an engineering degree again?

Don't be mad I told your boyfriend to do things to me you would otherwise need to take him to dinner to get I'm sure he'll come around one day for you. Maybe he'll let you stick those anal beads you had on your neck up his ass finally.

Maybe you should watch the video again, listen to how we leave at damn near the same time and notice that it wasn't until I was almost out of forth that your car actually dramatically fell back. How many cars did that look like? Hell they should give you a degree right now man! You've got the only car in the world that keeps accelerating after you let off all by itself! Then you can buy your own z06 to nutswing from. Won't that be fun?

I'll wait for you and your cumguzzlers brainic retort...this makes for awesome entertainment, we shouldv'e done this forever ago.

Cheers Mr. Bolon. Cheers.

Uh oh, he's getting real serious on the internet now

Coming up with some gay jokes, nice, how old are you again? But on the subject, I'm sorry, who was it that was rolling with nothing but 10 guys the other night? Oh, right..

As for my degree, wow you guys just don't get it. Lets try it again. What happens when you sign up for the military? You get your loans repaid.. Oh.. and if you have college experience, you get higher pay immediately, even in basic. Bet you didn't know that huh? Not like it matters, you'll forget it in 5 minutes anyways. No wonder you didn't know though, the military doesn't have an e-combat division. Too bad, I'm sure if they did you'd be top rank in no time.

In all seriousness though, where is this going? You just going to keep making yourself look immature arguing with me on the internet? Your insults online and strange silence in person are amusing and all, but seriously if you have nothing of value left to say why don't we drop it here?

lol but remember andy. we're the butthurt ones. again im going to post in the morning but i will address one thing. tom..... he let off. trust me i was in the car. the "dramatic fall back" your talking about is when he hit the brakes. noob

this is epic. sad i missed it all.

as for the 3rd honk thing... if ur the one honking the horn ur getting ready to push down the pedal right as ur hitting the horn... ur not waiting for the horn to go off then push the gas... so please dont spew any bullshit about tom trying to anticipate the 3rd honk. cause thats what u do...

and quit the stupid arguing about ls1/lt1 shit, thats totally irrelevant

All this thread really and truly proves is how gay roll racing is.

Droptop Z wrote: But I love how your excuse for jumping is "WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD THE THIRD HONK THERE LOL". What the fuck? You go when you hear the third honk, not when you think it should have happened. I could have waited 10 minutes between the second and third honk. Do you leave red lights when you *think* they should go green? Just amazing..

You fucking noob, if your honking you honk at a relative constant cadance. Not sparatically. That way when honk strikes three both cars anticipate it, and hit it at the same time...

Rb25Cory wrote:

Droptop Z wrote: But I love how your excuse for jumping is "WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD THE THIRD HONK THERE LOL". What the fuck? You go when you hear the third honk, not when you think it should have happened. I could have waited 10 minutes between the second and third honk. Do you leave red lights when you *think* they should go green? Just amazing..

You fucking noob, if your honking you honk at a relative constant cadance. Not sparatically. That way when honk strikes three both cars anticipate it, and hit it at the same time...

Boom roasted.

6spdscreaminchickin wrote:lol but remember andy. we're the butthurt ones. again im going to post in the morning but i will address one thing. tom..... he let off. trust me i was in the car. the "dramatic fall back" your talking about is when he hit the brakes. noob

brett your the fucking noob

well honestly to answer the question about when you let off, JUST POST UP YOUR VID!!! you took one, i saw brett with the camera, plus he told me he was going to film it. so since tom wasnt right next to you it should be pretty easy to hear in the vid when you lifted, you were running your cutout open right? i want to see it from that view anyway.

Slick Nick wrote:All this thread really and truly proves is how gay roll racing is.

x2

and as far as letting off.... it wasnt until he hit his the brakes( actually a split second before, he mayb let off 1/2 second then hit the brakes)... i was behind u....

ohh and i forgot... u guys "know" u were n the car.... is that y u both of u stood around like a bunch of dumb fucks asking if the car dropped to 2nd or 1st.... but u were in it... how didnt u know.....its real easy to figure out the answer when google is in front of you..... i assumed 2nd.. most cars dont have shit gears and are in 2nd by 35/40....i never claimed to be the ls1 guru.. i would of atleat expected u to know ur "own" car a little better

noah your giving to much credit think about who it is

njrupp wrote:and as far as letting off.... it wasnt until he hit his the brakes( actually a split second before, he mayb let off 1/2 second then hit the brakes)... i was behind u....

ohh and i forgot... u guys "know" u were n the car.... is that y u both of u stood around like a bunch of dumb fucks asking if the car dropped to 2nd or 1st.... but u were in it... how didnt u know.....its real easy to figure out the answer when google is in front of you..... i assumed 2nd.. most cars dont have shit gears and are in 2nd by 35/40....i never claimed to be the ls1 guru.. i would of atleat expected u to know ur "own" car a little better

we know you were behind us..... we saw you sadly try to keep up.

and YOU asked US what gear it went into.... and we both said 1st. you were the only one saying 2nd. no you never claimed to be a guru but you actually made fun of us cause we said 1st. turns out we were right...... which means you were wrong..... so you laughed at us for being right????

6spdscreaminchickin wrote:

njrupp wrote:and as far as letting off.... it wasnt until he hit his the brakes( actually a split second before, he mayb let off 1/2 second then hit the brakes)... i was behind u....

ohh and i forgot... u guys "know" u were n the car.... is that y u both of u stood around like a bunch of dumb fucks asking if the car dropped to 2nd or 1st.... but u were in it... how didnt u know.....its real easy to figure out the answer when google is in front of you..... i assumed 2nd.. most cars dont have shit gears and are in 2nd by 35/40....i never claimed to be the ls1 guru.. i would of atleat expected u to know ur "own" car a little better

we know you were behind us..... we saw you sadly try to keep up.

and YOU asked US what gear it went into.... and we both said 1st. you were the only one saying 2nd. no you never claimed to be a guru but you actually made fun of us cause we said 1st. turns out we were right...... which means you were wrong..... so you laughed at us for being right????

you saw noah in his wrx sadly trying to keep up with a auto z24 convertable??????? it doesnt seem hes struggling much in the video !!

itsalaser wrote:

6spdscreaminchickin wrote:

njrupp wrote:and as far as letting off.... it wasnt until he hit his the brakes( actually a split second before, he mayb let off 1/2 second then hit the brakes)... i was behind u....

ohh and i forgot... u guys "know" u were n the car.... is that y u both of u stood around like a bunch of dumb fucks asking if the car dropped to 2nd or 1st.... but u were in it... how didnt u know.....its real easy to figure out the answer when google is in front of you..... i assumed 2nd.. most cars dont have shit gears and are in 2nd by 35/40....i never claimed to be the ls1 guru.. i would of atleat expected u to know ur "own" car a little better

we know you were behind us..... we saw you sadly try to keep up.

and YOU asked US what gear it went into.... and we both said 1st. you were the only one saying 2nd. no you never claimed to be a guru but you actually made fun of us cause we said 1st. turns out we were right...... which means you were wrong..... so you laughed at us for being right????

you saw noah in his wrx sadly trying to keep up with a auto z24 convertable??????? it doesnt seem hes struggling much in the video !!

lmao!!!! wow it really doesnt look like he put much distance on noah!!!! ohhhhh snap noah had to let off so he didnt rear end that pos CAMERO!!! ahhhhhhhhahahahaha

and andy was the one who didnt know what gear it was. youre once again lying when you say noah was the only one saying second, andy FOR SURE said second, and brett was like wait no that would be first. and andy was like oh yeah youre right first. fucking n00bs!!!!!